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Masterpiece Theatre:
'White Teeth'
With Zadie Smith
Author
RESCHEDULED
Wednesday, May 14, 2003; 2 p.m. ET
Zadie Smith's comedy, "White Teeth," set in multiracial northwest London comes to life in a two-part adaptation of her acclaimed first novel on PBS Masterpiece Theatre. Hailed as "street-smart and learned, sassy and philosophical" by the New York Times and "funny as hell" by Newsweek, Smith wrote "White Teeth" at the astonishing age of 24. Set in the cultural farrago of Willesden Green, where Smith grew up, "White Teeth" tells the story of three families in the hippy-to-hiphop era of 1974 to 1992.
Smith was online Monday, May 12 at 2 p.m. ET, to discuss her novel and the two-part PBS adaptation.
At age 14, Sadie Smith changed her name to Zadie, and in 2000 as a 21-year-old Cambridge University graduate published her first novel, "White Teeth." In her second novel, "The Autograph Man," Smith dissects both celebrity culture and mystic Judaism. Smith has now turned to nonfiction, spending a few years stateside as a fellow at Radcliffe College's Bunting Institute. She is at work on a book of essays, "The Morality of the Novel," in which she considers a selection of 20th-century writers through the lens of moral philosophy.
"White Teeth" airs on PBS Sunday, May 11 and 18. (check local listings).
The transcript follows below.
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Zadie Smith: So, hello. I'm just about to start - recently returned from gym and bookshop. Ready to go. How weird is this?
St. Paul, Minn.:
Ms. Smith,
I am a contemporary of yours in terms of age, and I feel that your writing wonderfully depicts the lens through which my generation views the world. Do you feel this is an accurate assessment?
Zadie Smith: I'm not sure... when I was in college, a girl my age told me I was "fatally out of step with my generation", and that's always seemed true to me. I don't seem to like what they like, musically, filmically, literature-wise... I grew up at a time that celebrated the supposed relativity of ethics, and I really don't feel that way about it.
Bollywood Fan, Washington, D.C.:
My husband and I just happened upon White Teeth as we were channel surfing on Sunday, and we LOVED it!!
As someone of North Indian background, I found myself singing along with all the bollywood film music, which was interspersed with some particularly poignant western riffs.
I felt like I was watching a musical! The non-hindi speaker probably won't pick up on all the nuances of the Hindi music in it (it's not random - all the words have to do with what's going on in that particular scene) even though the movie can stand on its own without understanding the words to the music. but i was wondering who was the genius behind the music selection and making us kinda feel like we're watching something on broadway?
Zadie Smith: I had nothing to do with the music really, but certainly in England my readers are familiar with my great affection for the movie musical -- so maybe the producers took that as their cue. I am a great advocate of song interrupting conversation, being used to settle argument or to demonstrate two people falling love. That's why I can't watch a movie made after 1969. All the song went out of the things.
Brattleboro, Vt.:
A few reviews of "The Autograph Man" have suggested that your sensibilities have been hijacked by Dave Eggers/McSweeney's style of writing, due to some postmodern tricks in the book of the sort that have been associated with Eggers's work. One even went so far as to suggest that Eggers ghostwrote a part of the book. Care to make any rebuttal to those claims?
Zadie Smith: If I could get Dave to ghost-write....he barely has time to do his own stuff. I totally agree that I was in an American passion when I wrote The Autograph Man --- I was reading Americans like crazy. But I was in an English passion when I wrote WT. I'm basically a plagiarist at heart. At the moment I'm in an Eastern European passion, so we shall see what happens with that.
Sarasota, Fla.:
I've read your book and was delighted with the deeper look into a cultural dynamic I became fascinated with as an American who had occasion to live several months in North London. (The first installment of the TV adaptation did not disappoint.) My question is: how did you come upon your portrayal of Jehovah's Witnesses? While you are otherwise dead on accurate - your portrayal of Witness beliefs was way off the mark. During my time in London I made the acquaintance of a sincere group of Witnesses. Two things that make them unique amongst so called Christians is they do not beleive in hell or hellfire and they do not in any way use the cross or crucifix as any sort of symbol or icon. Both were part of your story. Please explain.
Finally, the three literary high points of my time in England were visiting the homes of Jane Austen and Charles Dickens and picking up your book after noticing it in a shop window in Stoke-Newington.
Nuff Respect,
B.B.
Zadie Smith: I think much of the witness stuff is off the mark, but this is because witnesses themselves are the chameleons of the religious-cult business. Arount the early 70's when my mother's family were witnesses, hellfire was the order of the day, believe me. When the apocalypse failed to turn up, the witnesses went through their usual metamorphosis (4 times in the 20th century), when they are overhauled in order to attract new believers and more money. In 1997, they were thinking of working up to a big build up again for 2000, but interestingly decided against it, and that's precisely when these new leaflets started turning up all over London in which hell and its damnations did a disappearing act. Sincere is not the word that comes to mind.
Vallejo, Calif.:
I started watching the series last night when it aired on PBS. So far I was not impressed. Not to say that you did not do a good job in your writing but perhaps it was just a mood thing for me at the moment I was watching it.
My question is: are the actors playing the part true Jamaicans? I said that because their accents sound somewhat fake and not representative of the Jamaican dialect. Or perhaps its the British influence on the accent that made it seem to sound somewhat strange to me. Please coment on this issue.
Thanks,
Ray
Zadie Smith: Hi Ray - I didn't write the TV show, but I take your non-impressed-ness on the chin. As for the accents, I don't know. They sound pretty much like English-Jamaican accents to me, but then again I don't have one and haven't heard a proper one in a long time. All I can say on that is when i meet an American-Jamaican the accent is completely alien to me, utterly different from the English variety.
Boston, Mass.:
What has the response been for "White Teeth" from the black and Asian communities in England? Do they think it is a accurate account of contemporary race relations in London?
Zadie Smith: I don't believe in accurate accounts of huge, disparate groups of human beings. I have absolutely no interest in "contemporary race relations", only in the particular experiences of particular human beings - from that you can extrapolate as a reader, but the writer who does it becomes a fake. Similarly, the black and asian community do not respond as one. Some like, some don't like, as it is with everything. To me this is like asking how the white community respond to John Updike. In a million ways
Harrisburg, Pa.:
The difficulty with KEVIN is quite amusing. It reminds me of the similar problem with the First United Church of Kensington. Are you naturally a witty person, or is humor something you have to develop and refine?
Zadie Smith: Is that for real? in London? Or in America?
I thank you for the compliment, but the KEVIN thing really is pretty laboured humour. I don't think I'm naturally funny - with a bit of drink I can rise to the level of vaguely amusing, but that's about it.
Washington, D.C.:
I loved your book, and I loved the way it depicted aspects of the new London. But I also loved the way your wrote it, and the way you used words. It seemed to me that the tv version reduces it to a story without your artistry. Did that aspect of adapting for tv bother you?
Zadie Smith: No, it didn't bother me. TV is TV. I just can't think what else to say about that. As long as I never have to appear on TV or write for TV, TV can carry on with its business and I'll carry on with mine.
Minneapolis, Minn.:
Was "White Teeth" a project you had continuously worked on, or was it a project you had worked periodically? What is your "usual" process when taking on such writing projects?
Zadie Smith: I start from page one and I end round the other side. I never jump, I never pause and I don't write things in between. I have a mono-intelligence; it must concentrate on one thing otherwise it's all over.
Denmark, S.C.:
I would like to know who are your favorite authors and how do you combat writers' block?
Zadie Smith: Quick list for today: E.M. Forster, Franz Kafka, Zora Neale Hurston, Vladimir Nabokov, John Updike, Kingsley Amis, J.D. Salinger, David Foster Wallace, W.G. Sebald and Phillip Larkin.
i don't know what is meant by the block thing. It's never a "block", it's just total laziness. And I don't know how to combat it. If I want a glass of wine, i want a glass of wine, and if there's a DVD to be watched, I'll watch it. It makes me feel horrible to avoid my work, but not so horrible that I do it. I know I will never be profilic - but I never expected to be. I'm just not the type.
Pittsburgh, Pa.:
You released "Autograph Man" fairly soon after "White Teeth". Did the novel come out quicker than you thought it would? Does your writing in general come quickly or slowly? Your stuff's often so rich and engrossing that it would seem to take years to write. And yet here you are with another book coming out. How's that one coming?
Zadie Smith: The reality is that even if you only wrote five hundred words a day ( one computer page), the novel would still be done in under two years. Look at Updike - if you apply yourself, a novel a year is perfectly possible. And look at the quality of those novels!
Juneau, Alaska:
Why did you use Jehovah's Witnesses? Have you studied with them? Why did you make inaccurate statements about their beliefs?
Zadie Smith: Ignorance. All i can say is that the description is absolutely accurate to the Witness upbringing of several members of my family. It's what i say again and again in religious matters: There are millions of muslims, there are millions of jews, there are millions of Christians - and there procedures are as variant as snowflakes. With the Autograph Man, i had Jewish friends who didn't recognise a word of it, and others who said that was their life. Fiction is not here to represent anybody - it is here to express the immense particularity of human experience.
Somewhere, USA:
Your views on being considered African-American?
A number of months ago I was at the DC Public Library and noticed 'White Teeth' standing up keeping company with other books on a table labelled 'African-American Authors'. (It wasn't African-American History Month).
(Full disclosure here: I'm a white Brit ex-pat).
Identity - racial, cultural, economic etc - is such an important part of your writing and I love the way you tackle its myriad complexities. I thought that the vignette of the table at the DC Public Library could have been written by you! It made me both smile and feel uncomfortable: really ponder in the same way as 'White Teeth' makes me think. What's your take?
Zadie Smith: Yes...I explained to a lady in a bookshop in Portland that I wasn't an African American and she got really offended. It's purely factual: neither African nor an American. But rather Black and British.
I don't really know what to say about that. this is a strange country sometimes.
West Chester, Ohio:
While watching White teeth I couldn't help comparing it to "East is East" the movie. Especially Iqbal (Om Puri) who plays a muslim in both movies. Would you say muslims in particular have a hard time growing up in England and adjusting to their environment or does it apply to other immigrants as well.
Zadie Smith: Well, I think both WT and East is East (the actress who plays Alsana plays the daughter in East is East) show a hoyful side of Muslim life in England. the only thing it tells me is that there aren't enough Asian actors in England, or at least, directors insist on giving the roles to the same six people. But really: who could complain regarding Om Puri and Archie Punjabi (Alsana). They are too perfect.
Bethesda, Md.:
The music selection in the film is fantastic. Will a soundtrack be available for purchase?
Zadie Smith: I've been trying to find that out. I'd quite like one. Maybe you could ask someone at Channel 4? I think its www.chanelfour.com Could be completely wrong on that website address.
Washington, D.C.:
Many writers lament the state of literary fiction-writing (that it is dead or near dead), most notably Jonathan Franzen. Do you think fiction agree?
Zadie Smith: Oh, he never said that. The Harper's essay is much more complex - it's really about style, and the redundancies of various styles - but it's a manifesto not a condemnation. Everybody's always lamenting everything - for myself, I have enough on my hands lamenting the state of my own fiction to worry about other peoples.
Lenexa, Kan. (About the Essay Collection):
Ms. Smith: A pleasure--been keeping up with your rocket rise and promise--looking forward to Sunday's part 2.
Your forthcoming essay collection sounds exciting. I think of Faulkner and his "the human heart in conflict with itself" as a moral summation of his own oeuvre. Just wondering: What ratio might the novelists in your forthcoming collection be (British, Dominion, American, other)? Thanks much.
Zadie Smith: It's almost entirely English and American, plus Kafka. I only chose writers I love to the hilt, and the ratio business is for other people to worry about. The writers are all twentieth century, no europeans and there's only one woman, for example. I was looking for writers who can be properly thought of as ethicists - so you're Faulkner quote is pretty apposite.
New York, NY:
I'm wondering if you would talk a bit about the role of religion in your stories. Are you interested in religion itself or just the effect it has on people? Also, do you research a lot about the various religions you write about? Finally, have you had any personal religious experiences that have influenced your writing?
Zadie Smith: I was brought up in the purest, unadulterated atheism. Possibly I fetished religion as a child; and now I suppose it has hardened into something like a 'theme'. But it isn't present in what I'm working on at the moment, although an 'ideal' is. It's that really, the intersection of the ideal and the everyday; why and how people destroy themselves over it.
Chattanooga, Tenn.:
How did you come up with the story for "White Teeth"?
Zadie Smith: It's weird that they don't have names attached to these questions - I hate typing to no-one. I do that for a living.
Well, Chattanooga, I do like a question that doesn't f**k around and at the same time is almost entirely unanswerable. It just came. All my novel ideas, including work in progress, come very quickly in one shot. The Autograph Man in the back of a taxi, WT at my desk looking over the river in college - and then the second half in a cafe - and this one came about two minutes after the title. the idea is not the problem for me. It's the writing it out as a book in some way that doesn't make me feel physically sick - that's the problem.
Pardon me boys
is that the Chatanooga Choo Choo
Something something
I'm a get me a ride (?)
Quarter to three
Aboard the Chatnooga Choo Choo
New York:
I read your piece in the Times on Sunday about the production of White Teeth. You started it by slagging off male students in MFA writing programs. Which led me to wonder...what's your opinion in general and experience with MFA programs?
Zadie Smith: I was joking with the MFA thing. I've never been in one, know nothing about them. I just meet a lot of fictionally agressive young men out here in Harvard who who want to squish the planet with their huge American novels. But we all got a bit of that...i like to squish people as much as the next guy.
New Rochelle, N.Y.:
What do you enjoy about writing?
Zadie Smith: You make your own hours. No dress code. mid day sex (if partner also a writer). Day time television. Getting better and better and expressing what it is you have in your head. And honest to god - meeting other writers. When you get published, you can wangle the e-mail of writers (who are alive and who you like) from their publishers. I've met people who changed my life when I read them. And sometimes you can make them e-mail you.I made David Foster Wallace e-mail me for a while, but then i think he got bored because all I ever said was how much i liked his stuff.
Springfield Mass. :
Hello Zadie,
How are you doing?
I wanted to know if you were always interested in being a writer? I am 24 living in America as a child I wanted to be a writer I some what Strayed away from it. I am in to broadcasting now.
How was it growing up in LONDON?
I do think your book is extremely good.
Zadie Smith: Is there a Springfield in every state in America? Someone told me that - is that true?
No, I wanted to be a tap dancer. And then I wanted to be an academic and meet Derrida and live in Paris. but I always thought of myself as a writer in my own way - I just wasn't very "proactive" on the publishing side. Certainly if they hadn't approached me I don't imagine i ever would have done anything about it.
New York, N.Y.:
How often did you write before publishing White Teeth and in what genres usually?
Zadie Smith: I spent two years as a teenager writing these 'perfect' pastiches. So I'd write an agatha Christie story or a P.G. Wodehouse story - exactly as they would have written it had they wrote it. Do you see what i mean? There were about four of them. And then in college I wrote four long stories, one of which was the beginning of WT. I'd also written six chapters of a novel when I was fifteen for my English teacher, about fout or five poems and one book of stories about skeletons when I was 10, with another girl, Polly Cork. beyong that I was a straight essay girl. I wrote a whole bunch of essays.
Piscataway, N.J.:
Who are some of the eastern european writers you currently feel passionate about? Thanks!
Zadie Smith: Kafka, Szymborksa (almost certainly spelt wrong), brodsky, Dostoevsky, Milosz, and Sebald I include, as far as sensibility.
If I could write like any of that lot I'd die happy.
Somewhere, USA:
I suspect this may not be your kind of question, but you've obviously thought a lot about these issues, so here goes....
What is your take on, for lack of a better term, the "cultural assimilation" of immigrants to Britain? Some of the things you portray (arranged marriages, etc.) have to be pretty controversial. Even now, I notice that the UK Foreign Office publishes guidelines and advice for UK nationals being taking against their will to other countries for arranged marriages. Not to mention that there are at least a few people around Finsbury Park with truly odious ideas. What's your take on all this? Is the situation improving? Does US society (perhaps because of a longer history of immigration) manage these things better, for all its faults?
Zadie Smith: I really feel there are as many people who feel violent dissent for the culture they live in in America as there are in Europe. The survivalists, the huge communities stacked up there in the mountains, the extreme right and left wing ---- I don't see a great deal of Muslim integration in American life. I grew up pretty near Finsbury Park, and i grew up cheek by jowl with Muslim children and families, and the extremism is very recent and in my opinion, mostly coming from French Muslims in London, who have been absolutely disenfrancised and radicalised by the extreme racism and lack of intergration within French life. As for "arranged marriages" - many of my friends parents had them - they did not involve women being stolen from their homes, but years of parental matchmaking (also found in some sections of the Jewish community), by which a daughter would be introduced to a very long series of 'suitable men', among which she often found someone who she might love. I'm not saying that the type of arranged marriage you mention does not exist, but it far in the minority, and I really think that given the range of spousal abuse that goes on in the United States and in my own country, we are not on such sturdy ground to be preaching concerning the marriage habits of other people. The kind of marriage you describe is not "arranged" - it is simply a criminal abduction followed by a rape. This is not how most British Muslims or Hindus would characterize the practise of arraned marriage as it has been carried out on those shores for fifty years.
phew.
Washington, D.C.: Do you have a writing regiment? If so, what is it?
Zadie Smith: No such thing as writing regime. Ignore anyone who tries to sell one to you. If you can afford it, write when you like. If not, two hours a day will do fine.
Washington, D.C.:
Watching the very enjoyable "White Teeth" brought back many memories of when I was living in England during the period depicted.
Who chose the music? It was very evocative and the inclusion of John Martyn was a stroke of inspiration.
BTW, I got my Mother your latest book and will be borrowing it as soon as she is finished.
Zadie Smith: Who's John Martyn?
I like the music too. It was chosen by the producer, i guess. It's much better than anything i might have suggested.
New York, NY:
As a writer of Jamaican heritage, I am encouraged and proud of your accomplishments. As a Playwright and sometimes screenwriter, I remember thinking that if someone did not write a film adaption of this novel, I would...but I'm glad someone did. How did the adaptation come about? Were you approached personally by a Producer? Screenwriter? Or was your management contacted?
Zadie Smith: That;s how I felt about "They're Eyes are Watching God", but now I see Suzan Lori-Parks is adapting it. That's the only book I would be even vaguely tempted to adapt myself.
I can't remember how it came about. I think someone just asked my agent if they could make it, and I said sure as long as I got paid and didn't have to do anything. And that's how it was.
Washington, D.C.:
It was interesting to see Robert Bathurst as the father of Josh. esp since he plays a similiar arrogant character in cold feet, again, with a son named Josh. Why was Robert Bathurst selected for the roll?
Zadie Smith: I love love love Cold Feet. I totally want to hate it, but it's impossible. The Northern Man Jimmy whatsisname is impossible to turn off.
bathurst...I guess they just offered him it - or maybe he auditioned. I did have some ideas for casting, but it turned out all the actors I was thinking of had got too old...i was thinking of them in their 1970's incarnations, but actors age just like anybody. I think Robert did a great job. His vocal intonation, the way he holds himself - so perfectly snooty.
You leave Pennsylvania station at a quarter to four ...:
Own up - you just took that question becasue it was from Chattanooga.
Zadie Smith: It's the truth. That was the first tune of our tap dancing day for fifteen straight years. And then I forgot the words.
east coast:
How do you like Boston? Any differences you maybe won't ever get used to?
Zadie Smith: If I never see snow again, my friend, it will be too goddamn soon.
Tinseltown:
What was an atheist upbringing like? My parents were dyslexic, so I grew up with fearing dog, which most people misinterpreted as over anxiousness. Were your parents permissive and encourage you to think freely? Or would the occasional spanking emerge for taking too many liberties?
Zadie Smith: Are you really from Hollywood?
My parents weren't permissive in the least. they just didn't believe in god. Humanist parents find just as many reasons not to let their kids smoke crack as Christian parents.
Madison, Wis.:
I read your book, then happened upon the miniseries. I was impressed by the energy and wit of the adaptation. But what sort of role did you have in the final version of it, meaning, what parts did you feel could take a back seat to the other storylines for the movie? For example, I remember the kids having a lot more innerstruggles in the book that weren't portrayed on film (probably because these are young, child actors).
Zadie Smith: I went to Madison once. Met Lorrie Moore. hang out on a weird campus that looked like one huge barbecue party.
For all the answers to your questions there is a NY Times link about how much i had to do with the adaptation etc
Did the kids have inner struggles? Maybe they did. Millat mainly - and as I remember, in the 2nd half of the TV show, you get to see Millat struggling a bit more. Struggling with his immense good looks. yeah, right.
Oshkosh, Wis.:
Have you found U.S. culture very different now that you are studying here? Do you plan to travel much around the U.S.?
Zadie Smith: America is truly alone in the world. It just isn't like anywhere else, and thats regarding the good stuff and the bad. Most days I really feel like I'm on Mars. It's an amazing experience.
Columbus, Ohio:
As a person of Asian decent I found the show charming, hilarious and very familiar. What sort of feedback have you received from the Asian community the book or show? I loved them though I can see where some people might be offended by some of the religious idiosyncracies.
Zadie Smith: I was once handed a letter at a reading which was addressed to me FROM THE PEOPLE OF BANGLADESH , and it outlined all their objections. Weirdly, the guy who handed it to me was Chinese. I am the United Nations of offense - if I can, I like to offend everybody.
Kansas City, Mo.:
How satisfied were you after viewing it the first time . Did the director depict it the way you wanted it . PS, enjoyed it very much...
Zadie Smith: I watched it cringing. I can't help it - I'm sure it's good, I just can't watch it. I tried to watch it last sunday, but after five minutes I had to watch Manor House reality docu-thing instead. It's just a little too close to the bone.
Washington, D.C.:
Dear Ms. Smith:
White Teeth is exceptional. I was wondering though if you would comment on the process of writing a book so young, and before celebrity, versus writing a book as a professional writer, with a good deal of celebrity. I ask only because some of my favorite books were written by authors in their early twenties, and feel distinct from those (very good) books written by authors not very much older, but all the more "professional".
Also , what book(s) would you (do you) recommend to friends?
Thanks,
Jay
Zadie Smith: I guess that means you hate The Autograph Man and like WT? I have to say, i feel the other way about it -- I like writers who are much older -- i especially like reading the book-before-death novel...I think something amazing comes out of a writer when he realises he's about to die. I like first novels sure - they're vibrant, they're a big messy explosion -- but a few more novels in (no, not the second, the fourth say, or the fifth), the novelty of being preofessional disappears and something lovely kicks in.
Right now I would recommend Sebald's the Emigrants, Ozick's The Puttermesser papers, Larkin's poems, Madame Bovary and Brief Interviews with hideous Men.
Princeton, NJ:
so, here are some random questions:
- what is the revision process like for
you? how do you revise?
- how do you write your first draft? 1993
nobel laureate toni morrison uses a
pencil and a legal pad. do you? DO YOU?
Zadie Smith: Don't know what a revision process is. This is an American term. I work on it as I go along and then finish when i'm done.
I don't do 'drafts' for the reason given above.
haven't written a word with a pen and paper since I was about fourteen; not even a shopping list.
Zadie Smith: Which reminds me: everything you need to know about contemporary England (including its relationship with its Aisan and Caribbean diaspora) you can find out by watching Manor House on PBS or whatever it is. Seriously. That is one compelling show.
Bridgeport, Conn.:
Hi Zadie. I was just wondering how you went about writing the story of Samad and Archie, particularly their time during WWII? Did you rely on oral accounts, biographies/narrative, online? Or did you use reference tools at the local library? I loved the book and hope that others will be inspired to read the book after seeing the film.
Dawn
Zadie Smith: The Imperial War Museumn in London for anything i really really didn't know - but other than that, i run with the idea that there is the potential for people to behave as I might imagine in any given situation I might put them in. My attention to fact is very poor. When I read a novel what pisses me off is not an inaccuracy about an historical date or make of truck, but sentences people would never say, gestures that are awkward or unreal, ways of sitting, eating, touching someone --- that's what I try and look out for. the rest of it I just don't care enough about.
Zadie Smith: Ok, I'm done.
I apologise for the low intellectual content of the answers, but the truth is, I myself am of low intellectual content.
thank you all for asking and giving a damn and being my readers sometimes.
any other absolutely vital questions can be sent to this
e-mail: sadieade@aol.com, but don't go crazy - I get enough weird mail as it is,
zx
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